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- Honda Insight: Ahead of its time
I have been watching sale prices on used Honda Insight's lately. There appears to have been a real resurgence of interest in these small fuel-efficient hybrids. Well, perhaps itās unfair to say āresurgenceā since they didnāt exactly set the world on fire with sales when they were new. I would attribute this to Honda being a bit too far ahead of its time and now that the entire automotive landscape in the U.S. has suddenly started to look surprisingly like Europe they are becoming quite hot commodities.
For those of you not familiar with this model, it was a real technology tour de force for Honda, combining their hybrid Integrated Motor Assist with an ultra-efficient and light-weight two-seat vehicle. It was also the first hybrid-electric vehicle available in the U.S. and was rated at 70 mpg highway by the DOT standards at the time. Honda stopped selling them in 2006 after poor sales. Forbes reported near the end of the modelās availability that in some months Honda only sold 8 Insight's in the United States. Yes, 8!
I reviewed one when new and was pretty astounded. The driving experience reminded me of the old Honda CRX, especially the HF model. It was light, nimble, surprisingly roomy for a tiny two-seater, and with the manual transmission it was fun to drive. I thought it was awesome, but to be fair I was also a fan of the GM EV1, so I was a bit biased.
The Insight cost a bit over $20,000 when new and if this Craigslist posting is to be believed, they are now selling for nearly the same prices used. Thereās also this eBay listing for another Insight with low miles asking for over $25,000.
It appears that Honda may have pulled the car from the market just a bit too early. - Buying a Used Car: Dealer vs. FSBO
Iāve purchased a lot of cars over the years. At last count Iāve owned close to 50 different cars and motorcycles, most of which were purchased used. Ok, I have a problem, Iāll admit it. Iām a car nut and like to experience different cars, Iām fickle. Yet it has not been entirely as crazy as it sounds. With only a few exceptions (Saabs, mostly) Iāve been able to buy these cars, drive them for a while, then sell them later for about what I bought them for.
Clearly, there are advantages to buying used rather than new. Primarily these are monetary: price (buy a car you could not afford new a few years later) and the related depreciation (most of the hit is taken during the first few years, so your ownership costs donāt include this big hit). The downsides are the potential lack of a factory warranty, fewer finance options (there are usually more financing options for new cars like cheap/free financing and leasing) and the fear of buying someone elseās problem vehicle.
The financing issue is becoming a bigger issue these days. The tight credit markets mean that peer to peer sales are often unfinanceableā¦ even with good credit it is increasingly difficult if not impossible to secure a loan to buy a used car from a private party seller (aka For Sale by Owner or FSBO).
That issue aside, and hopefully itās just a short-term problem, I should say that I really prefer to buy my used cars directly from the previous owner. I really donāt understand why anyone would buy a used car from a dealer unless it was a certified pre-owned car with a serious extended warranty. But dealers usually ask for a hefty premium for theseā¦ enough that if it concerns you there are plenty of aftermarket extended service agreements available for a price.
Of course, my position is highly biased by my passion for cars. I am willing to take time to find the right vehicle and I find the hunt entertaining in itself. So, why buy from a FSBO rather than a dealer?
It comes down to information. I like to know who owned the car before me. I like to know how he or she took care of it, maintained it, washed it, and drove it.
I bought my first used car during high school, I think it was about 1986. I visited some dealers and looked at ads in the local paper (remember those?). I ended up looking at a few cars but one really got my attention. It was not that it was the hottest car; it was a 1981 Celica coupe, about 80,000 miles on the clock and in very clean condition. But what really struck me was the owner. He was a surgeon who drove the car through his residency and now that he was making some coin decided to buy himself a brand new Saab Turbo. His garage looked like an operating room in its cleanliness. Next to the Celica was a beautifully restored 1955 T-Bird with the hard top in a hoist on the ceiling. He provided a binder showing fastidious maintenance like oil changes every 2,500 miles since new. The car was spotless inside and out. I just had a good feeling about it. I ended up buying it and driving it until 140,000 miles without a failure. My sister, on the other hand, liked my car and went out and bought another Celica of the same vintage and had nothing but problems with it. The previous owner had no maintenance records, smoked like a chimney, and generally wasnāt a car person. You can imagine that her experience was very different than mine because she ignored the warning signs.
Since then, Iāve really tried to pay attention to a carās ownership history and this strategy has served me well. The primary reason I donāt like buying from a dealer is that they often take that aforementioned book of maintenance records and throw it in the trash. Case in point is my most recent purchase.
I was looking for a relatively rare model, a 1994-5 Mercedes E320 Cabriolet. There were some examples popping up for sale on Craigslist and eBay every so often. One happened to be for sale at a local Mercedes dealer who reportedly took it in on trade. I checked the car out and it looked very nice, with moderate mileage, flawless interior, and a very nice exterior. It drove like a new car despite having about 70k miles on the clock as one would expect of a Benz from that era. However, they had NO maintenance records available despite the fact that the car had been owned by one person since new. I can just imagine the records that the previous owner must have handed over to the dealer when he traded it in.
CarFax verified the ownership history story I was given. Normally, when buying a car with potentially devastating repair costs I like to get an independent professional inspection by a marque expert. Of course, as a franchised dealer they wouldnāt allow me to do so and instead pointed to their ā120 point used car inspection.ā I knew that the car had been on their lot for some time and decided to go through with the purchase as the price was the same as I would have paid a private party for a car in the same condition.
To be fair, I didnāt get ripped off or anything. The car has been just fine for the 5 months I have had it. This past weekend I did have a radiator hose burst, an unforeseeable failure and only a $12 part with no damage done. However, if had purchased the car from a private party and had known that the hoses hadnāt been replaced in 15 years I would have gone through and replaced them upon purchasing the car as I have on my other purchases. I always budget $500-$1000 for a solid going-through to take care of small repairs and a for a comprehensive maintenance session like hoses, belts, brake fluid, coolant, oil change, etc. However, since I bought the car from a franchised dealer and had received a number of promises about their reconditioning processes I skipped this usual step. My fault, no doubt.
In most cases, you also have to pay a premium to a dealerā¦ after all they bought the car from an auction or from the previous owner and are marking it up. I just like to skip this step as I donāt find that it adds any value to me. If I buy a used car with no warranty and something breaks two days later the dealer is simply not going to remember my name any more than if I had bought it from the previous owner.
In summary, the benefits to buying from a private party include increased information about the vehicleās past, maintenance records, an increased ability to get an independent inspection, and a lower price. Buying from a dealer potentially saves some time hunting for the car and gets you increased access to financing. Granted, this alone may be a deal-breaker but usually does not justify the increased expense. Ok, dealers, let me have it, I am sure you can identify some other benefits I have overlooked but my advice to friends and family is to search FSBO listings, get a profession